tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post1963868549658889544..comments2023-09-30T07:11:12.483-07:00Comments on pilgrimsteps: My path to technologyjanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06538362162139679868noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-80867164872494360942010-03-28T17:18:39.342-07:002010-03-28T17:18:39.342-07:00I would say that the LDS Church pays lip service t...I would say that the LDS Church pays lip service to the education of girls. <br /><br />In fact, there have been statements by prophets, seers and revelators during my life time that women who pursue a rigorous education, just in case they have to provide for themselves, may have created a self-fulfilling prophesy and are themselves to blame when their husbands abandon them.<br /><br />Of course, Mormons will not admit that in an open forum but inside Mormon chapels it is pretty well understood that female careers are a bad thing.<br /><br />To really understand what Mormonism is, we need to look at how Mormons speak to each other, not the statements destined for PR purposes.Hellmuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01666302780491649128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-27739840557013112442010-03-28T03:54:39.258-07:002010-03-28T03:54:39.258-07:00That's cool that your early experiences haven&...That's cool that your early experiences haven't kept you from tech forever. :DC. L. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698855413639518095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-83442770789567994422010-03-26T22:27:29.194-07:002010-03-26T22:27:29.194-07:00sarah/rockelle:
the "mormon church" has...sarah/rockelle:<br /><br />the "mormon church" has a horrible track record of saying one thing with their words and meaning something altogether different as evidenced by their structure, their leadership choices, their culture, and their rather coercive identity formation programs. you might not call young women's and personal progress "identity formation programs" and you may not think they're coercive, but from where i sit (a 35-year-old active mormon woman who completed her personal progress with flying colors and graduated seminary with perfect attendance), that's what they are. i more than once have heard the line that women should get their education so that they can step up and provide if something happens to their husband. i have often heard that women should pursue educational and career goals that lend themselves to being primary caregivers rather than breadwinners; this advice frequently includes designating the kinds of "soft career" choices jana references--teaching, childcare, nursing, etc. (please note, i am not at all denigrating those professions; they are difficult and challenging and demanding and i am incredibly grateful for those who step up and pursue those careers; that, however, does not change the fact that they are traditionally "female" career choices.)<br /><br />not only is this kind of advice given by the flawed members of wards (something that mormons so often try to pass off as being a mis-representation of the church's real stance which is oh-so-much more enlightened), it has been enshrined institutionally at general conferences, in the ensign, in young women's program manuals, in lesson manuals for both YW and RS, in approaches to girls' camp (really? stupid skits? really? a mile hike qualifying as a "wilderness survival experience"? uh huh; such things would never fly at a scout camp. not saying i like the scout program; just pointing out the wild discrepancies between the youth programs available for boys and girls), etc. and then there's the ridiculous auxiliary programs like enrichment night. enrichment. which usually translates to more "soft," feminine pursuits. book clubs. sewing. scrapbooking. cooking. blah blah blah. even when they have an "enrichment" night when they try to teach a real skill (changing a tire, home accounting, etc.) it's usually a compensation for the way in which the church and its culture and it's brilliantly enlightened leaders screwed up women in the first place.<br /><br />so yeah. every once in a while a church leader throws women a bone about how they should pursue an education. but that doesn't compensate for hundreds of thousands of words and countless hours of "instruction" that attempt to manipulate women into being women (and that's not even touching on the fact that the church tries to say that gender is eternal, which implies that we don't need to be taught how to be women, while actively pursuing a course of "instructing" women how to be women. i call bullshit.<br /><br />/rant<br /><br />(sorry for the threadjack rant, jana. it's probably fairly obvious how i feel about this issue...)ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16516187741132836325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-7863588830104803962010-03-26T13:11:43.975-07:002010-03-26T13:11:43.975-07:00Jana,
The "mormom Church" actually stre...Jana, <br />The "mormom Church" actually stresses that it is important for girls as well as boys to get a good education.They just want us to have great family units whatever that may be.<br />Rockellesarah dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14469394846023793966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-28703745367521391482010-03-25T11:46:32.979-07:002010-03-25T11:46:32.979-07:00Math and science was a strong point of mine and I ...Math and science was a strong point of mine and I was really lucky to have parents, especially my dad, who supported me and cultivated it. I regret not going into it as a career because I'm struggling in a soft field- the non-profit arts.belleshpgrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04919970914934267241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-62933038595501763792010-03-25T11:36:59.405-07:002010-03-25T11:36:59.405-07:00I love watching you on your technology journey, Ja...I love watching you on your technology journey, Jana (and not just because I benefit TONS from the knowledge you acquire).<br /><br />Thanks for the Ada Lovelace link!EmilyCChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01918791885873980643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231518.post-24410373666622579752010-03-25T10:55:59.716-07:002010-03-25T10:55:59.716-07:00My high school guidance counselor told me I 'w...My high school guidance counselor told me I 'wouldn't need' to take math beyond Algebra to satisfy my credit requirements. She recommended I take choir or that wonderful bastion of American gender reinforcement, Home Economics. I didn't want to take Home Ec, but she assured me, I would glean useful knowledge from it. I asked my male friend what she said after his meeting with her. She told him to take Calculus and to consider taking Physics. Home Economics didn't enter into the conversation.bran (delion)http://branivere.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com